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Post by thedougaller on Feb 3, 2014 12:25:01 GMT -7
I know the 10000 hours series by Dev is extremely popular, so I think you guys will find this article interesting. www.sportsscientists.com/2012/03/10000-hours-vs-training-debate/To summarize, Starting performance is highly genetic, things like initial vo2max, injury risk, muscle fiber type, etc. Now you CAN train these things to improve, but your ability to train them AND the results you get are also heavily impacted by genes. Therefore your performance ceiling is going to be mostly determined by genetics, not how much hard work you can put in. This means that not everyone can become a master of their craft, even with 10000 hours of practice. Thoughts? |
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Post by shan1180 on Feb 3, 2014 14:17:33 GMT -7
"Ericsson is the father of the 10,000 hour concept, where he prescribes that ANY individual can become an elite athlete if they engage in the required hours of deliberate practice."
That's training to be an elite athlete. We're training to be skilled players.
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Post by 2fast2strong2good on Feb 3, 2014 14:55:51 GMT -7
I'm all about science, but I put in work just for the satisfaction of the results.
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Post by thedougaller on Feb 3, 2014 15:48:01 GMT -7
@shan1180,
Just to clarify, what's the difference between being an elite athlete vs a skilled player?
Are you saying you aren't trying to play D1 basketball? That is an elite level. If you're just trying to play for your highschool team, that's fine, I'll agree you won't need to worry about hitting your genetic potential.
@2fast,
Yeah that's fine too. I'm more speaking on the people who are trying to achieve a high level (D1, pro, etc.) of success.
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Post by staymotivated on Feb 3, 2014 19:27:51 GMT -7
So no matter how hard and smart I work....i still might not become a master at my craft because of my genetics???
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Post by 2fast2strong2good on Feb 3, 2014 20:34:04 GMT -7
lol yup genetics definitely sucks sometimes
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Post by staymotivated on Feb 3, 2014 20:57:53 GMT -7
SO I can be the hardest working indiviual in the world. And I still may not have a chance at the pros, BECAUSE OF GENETICS??
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Post by thedougaller on Feb 3, 2014 21:37:25 GMT -7
staymotivated, that's the idea. but we also have to realize that we don't know where our own genetic potential lies.. you can get testing done but it's very expensive and the science is in it's infancy. it may just be you need to reach higher into your max potential than most. while some athletes only need to reach 80% of their max to go pro, you may need to reach 90-95%.. but of course there may be some that even at 100% couldn't make it.
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Post by EliteBaller3 on Feb 3, 2014 22:50:31 GMT -7
Personally I think if your not shooting 99% in practice you can improve. Can anyone play in the NBA? I don't think so. But if your really stuck shooting 85% its going to be because you don't believe you are a 90% shooter. Interesting read I mean, I'm not sure how far I can go, but I guess what I'm doing is finding that out, right?
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Post by staymotivated on Feb 3, 2014 23:11:53 GMT -7
What if you are just a sharp shooter. That doesnt need the athletic ability of an "Elite" athlete. Like Kyle Korver, Ray Allen, Mike Miller. Even genetics can stop you from just pure skill of playing pro? I always thought that no matter who you are you can play at the highest level as long as you work. You may not be the most athletic or even in the top 200 in the league but you can play based on skill. Like Nash for example. He is athletic but not where he can uses his lighting speed or insane vert. lol. Anyone get what Im saying?
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Post by thedougaller on Feb 4, 2014 5:45:02 GMT -7
Guys like Kyle Korver, Ray Allen, & Mike Miller are average athletically in terms of the NBA.. but if you put them in any college/hs gym, they would shut it down without shooting a single three. Steve Nash might be below-average athletically, but he has certain traits that are way above-average (hand-eye coordination, court vision, timing, etc.) that allow him to succeed.
This is good news, it means there are more than one "set" of genes that allow us to be successful at a given task.
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Post by staymotivated on Feb 4, 2014 10:26:12 GMT -7
I don't understand if you are a player like them, how can genetics hold you back? Im more on the athletic side myself, but shooting is my best skill.
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Post by thedougaller on Feb 4, 2014 15:40:43 GMT -7
Because your ability to learn & train a skill is also genetic. Youre underestimating how good these guys actually are at what they do.. I'm sure they shoot in the high-90's in practice everytime. They can also throw down 360s, run a competitive 40 yard dash, etc. Can you say the same?
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Post by staymotivated on Feb 4, 2014 17:03:26 GMT -7
I am only sure about the 90% shooting in practice and run a 4.7 40 :/ and can only doa 360 off of one leg, not off of straight vertical.
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Post by staymotivated on Feb 4, 2014 17:08:11 GMT -7
Sorry a 4.8 40yd. I last tested in November.
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Post by thedougaller on Feb 4, 2014 17:13:17 GMT -7
Lol.. what are you worried about then? Considering those stats you have no reason to consider yourself genetically inferior
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Post by staymotivated on Feb 4, 2014 17:27:40 GMT -7
I loved the article BTW. It's not that I am worried. I am not an "elite" athlete. I never played high school ball either. It's just that I think you can work extremely hard and still be able to master something. Maybe not 10000 hours but way more than that. I dont think I have good genetics either...
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Post by staymotivated on Feb 4, 2014 19:05:49 GMT -7
I just thought about it....my bad but my shooting percentage is around 85ish. Not 90's yet. I was mistaken, I tested my shots out today and only hit mid 80's. I will hit the 90's in a few months though I hope.
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Post by EliteBaller3 on Feb 4, 2014 19:52:51 GMT -7
lol yeah i'm not too worried I mean, there are some kids that really are SO uncoordinated I just don't get it. It would take years to get them to where they could function decent on the court and that would be a huge accomplishment in itself. I'm not terribly unathletic I'm weak but still jumping like 28 in. just once I get some strength I'll have a pretty nice vert. Quickness is my main concern for me but it is pretty trainable, in my opinion. And my dad said he was actually fast when he was a kid, so maybe I have a lot of room for growth.
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Post by bballerforlife1 on Feb 4, 2014 20:12:14 GMT -7
Damn, how long have I been off this forum  ? Okay yes genetics help deal with it. Technique, yes it works. I've beaten people who are way more athletic than me but I had greater technique. Most athletes are doping that's why they are freaks. Life is about trying new things everyone, be the Renaissance man . Do what you love and desire. Screw Taylor Allan, Damin Altizer, and screw all those trainers. They won't get you anywhere. Only YOU can get yourself to YOUR destination. |
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? Okay yes genetics help deal with it. Technique, yes it works. I've beaten people who are way more athletic than me but I had greater technique. Most athletes are doping that's why they are freaks. Life is about trying new things everyone, be the Renaissance man